Marketing Episodes

April 20, 2026

Why ‘Head Of’ Means Nothing Anymore with Daen Fox

This episode flips one of the biggest assumptions in recruitment on its head. We spend so much time defining people by job titles, CVs and neat career paths. But what if that is exactly what is limiting performance, creativity and growth? In this conversation, I sit down with Daen Fox to unpack why labels in recruitment are becoming less relevant, and what actually drives high performance in today’s market. We get into the reality of modern recruitment. Why generic processes are creatin...
Guest: Daen Fox
March 5, 2026

The Truth About Recruitment Content Nobody Talks About With Joel Lalgee

What happens when a recruiter stops relying purely on cold calls and starts building an audience instead? In this episode of the Marketing Rules Podcast, James Whitelock sits down with Joel Lalgee, widely known as The Realest Recruiter. Joel has built one of the most recognisable personal brands in recruitment, growing a global following across TikTok, LinkedIn and YouTube while continuing to operate as an executive recruiter. Joel shares the story behind how he went from agency recruiter ...
Guest: Joel Lalgee
Feb. 17, 2026

Is Your Recruitment Website Already Obsolete With Dave Jenkins

James is joined by Dave Jenkins, CEO and Founder of Wave, who has spent 25 years building recruitment websites and watching them evolve from simple brochure sites to powerful marketing and tech platforms. We get into the future of the recruitment website, the impact of AI, candidate experience, and why your site should be your hardest-working asset, not just something that sits online looking pretty. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing ⁠To connect with Dave:⁠ https://w...
Guest: Dave Jenkins
July 22, 2025

Why Podcasting Should be Talent Team's Secret Weapon with Nitin Sharma

This week, James is joined by Nitin Sharma, recruitment entrepreneur, podcast host and the mind behind RecTools. They dive into how podcasting is shaking up the world of talent acquisition. Nitin shares how what started as a simple content idea grew into a full-blown platform with over 70,000 subscribers. From building credibility and boosting employer brand to engaging those hard-to-reach passive candidates, podcasting is proving to be a powerful tool for TA teams. They also get into the ...
Guest: Nitin Sharma
Feb. 17, 2025

Recruiters get marketing confused with fluff with Alexandra Chirica

Recruitment has had a chequered history with marketing and only in the last few years has it become strategically adopted and started to be seen as a necessity. Joining me this week is Alexandra Chirica, founder of Recfindr. Alexandra discusses her start-up journey and thoughts on what recruiters are doing wrong with their marketing. The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rchilli.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketi...
Jan. 8, 2025

Recruitment marketing versus employer branding with Sam Berthoud

For most businesses on a budget, deciding on the best place to spend that budget for talent attraction can mean difficult choices. So which is more effective for talent attraction, recruitment marketing or employer branding? Joining me this week is Sam Bertoud VP of Talent Solutions at hackajob. Sam discusses the importance of recruitment marketing in modern-day talent acquisition, the influences of consumer marketing strategies and the need for recruiters to understand marketing better...
Guest: Sam Berthoud
Dec. 16, 2024

A storytelling mindset with Neil Mullarkey

The traditional view of a leader is serious, stoic and humourless, but are humour, laughter and storytelling the new leadership traits?Joining me this week is Neil Mullarkey, Comedian, author and business coach Neil discusses how to be a better leader through storytelling, laughter, fun and mindset? The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rchilli.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing To connect with Neil: https://www.link...
Nov. 11, 2024

How recruiter enablement and recruitment marketing can work together with Sean Galligan

Recruiter enablement is a fairly new concept and definitions are ranging, but broadly it's to deliver resources and assets at the point of need for a recruiter. So how does recruitment marketing fit into this process? Talking to James this week is Sean Galligan, founder of TA Guru. Sean discusses the alignment of enablement and marketing and how it can support wide initiatives like employer branding. The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rchilli.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
Oct. 17, 2024

Live from Job Boards Connect London 2024

In this special episode, James speaks with presenters and attendees from this year's Job Boards Connect London. The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rchilli.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing To learn more about Job Boards Connect visit: https://jobboardsconnect.com/ Learn more about James and ThinkinCircles: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thinkincircles.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
Aug. 12, 2024

Live from RecFest UK 2024 - Part 2

This is Part 2 of my episodes recorded live from Recfest UK 2024. I had the chance to speak with some great guests from the world of talent acquisition and Talent Tech. I hope you enjoy...again The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rchilli.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Learn more about James and ThinkinCircles: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thinkincircles.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
Aug. 5, 2024

Live from RecFest UK 2024 - Part 1

This is Part 1 of 2 episodes recorded live from Recfest UK 2024. I had the chance to speak with some great guests from the world of talent acquisition and Talent Tech. I hope you enjoy. The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.rchilli.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Learn more about James and ThinkinCircles: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thinkincircles.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://...
May 28, 2024

Managing remote marketing teams with Laura Brown

Running remote marketing teams is a challenge at the best of times, but doing that across different time zones is even trickier. Joining me this week is Laura Brown, Marketing Director at Engtal. Laura discusses managing remote teams, building community brands and driving revenue from marketing in 2024. The Marketing Rules Podcast is sponsored by RChill https://www.rchilli.com/ #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing To connect with Laura: https://www.linkedin.com/in/la...
Guest: Laura Brown
April 8, 2024

When marketing and talent attraction collide with David Nottage

As a recruitment marketer, i would say that marketing is important in talent attraction, but today's guest has marketing front and centre in his strategy. Joining me this week is David Nottage Head of Talent Attraction & Acquisition at Footasylum David talks to me about his unusual journey into talent attraction, why marketing is so important to him and his thoughts on how TA teams should add value. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from Shazamme...
April 2, 2024

How to Build a Community to Grow Your Business with Lloyed Lobo

Building an engaged community around your brand and business is the goal for many marketers, but what are the issues you might face and what does success look like? Joining me this week is Lloyed Lobo, author and cofounder at Boast. Lloyed talks me through how he built a community of over 100,000 entrepreneurs and innovators and how he managed the community and kept them engaged. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from Shazamme ⁠⁠⁠...
Guest: Lloyed Lobo
March 4, 2024

A Brief History of RecFest with Jamie Leonard

RecFest has become one of the tentpole events in the talent attraction events calendar, but how did it start and what were the drivers to make it distinctly different from many other events on the calendar? In December 2023 I interviewed RecFest head honcho Jamie Leonard. We discuss the origins of RecFest, the facelifts it has had over the past few years and the future of recruitment focused events. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from Shazamme ...
Feb. 5, 2024

The Marketing Rules Pubcast

This is a special episode recorded in December 2023 at The Three Tuns Pub in London with Matt Alder, Hung Lee, Chad Sowash, Julie Sowash, Chris Murdoch and of course yours truly. As we are all podcasters we discuss the good, the bad and the ugly of podcasting and apologies for the audio quality, but we were in a pub after all! #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from Shazamme ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.shazamme.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠...
Guest: Matt Alder
Jan. 29, 2024

The power of AI in Recruitment Marketing with Matt Comber

We all know that AI is going to change the way we work and recruit, but how is it specifically going to change the way that recruitment marketing operates? Joining me this week is Matt Comber, CEO at SourceflowMatt talks me through what he thinks is going to be influenced, changed and eradicated by AI in recruitment marketing and the knock-on effects on his own business. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from Shazamme ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www...
Guest: matt
Jan. 8, 2024

How to build a talent focused network with Jamie Hickman

One of the best ways to engage directly with your target audiences is by building a network or community, which is now easier than ever with WhatsApp and similar apps, but where do you start? Discussing this with me is Jamie Hickman, MD at Search Markets. At the start of 2023, Jamie started to build the search markets network focused on bringing together specialists in Talent Attraction, recruitment and HR Tech, but by the end of 23 there were thousands of members across multiple platforms, bu...
Dec. 13, 2023

Live from TATech Europe

This is a special episode, recorded live from TATech Europe on 5th December 2023 in London. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from TATech and Shazamme ⁠⁠https://tatech.org/⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.shazamme.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about James and ThinkinCircles: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thinkincircles.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.themarketingrules.com/⁠⁠⁠
Oct. 30, 2023

How can DE&I be your point of difference with Jo Major?

Does DE&I mean different things to different people and can your approach to DE&I be used commercially? Joining me this week is Jo Major, Founder of Diversity in Recruitment. Jo Talks to me about what recruiters really think DE&I is. How to use DE&I to build your brand and how to use DE&I for business development. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from CandidateHub and Shazamme ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://candidatehub.io/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://...
Sept. 26, 2023

Do you feel lucky with Ashley Cooper?

Do you believe in luck or do you make your own luck as a recruiter? and what's a job title? are you a recruiter, a talent acquisition specialist or something else? Joining me this week is Ashely Cooper, an in-house recruiter and employer branding specialist. Ashley discusses the role of luck in being an effective recruiter and if over-inflating your job title is harming your credibility and the credibility of the industry. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this pod...
Guest: Ashley Cooper
Sept. 12, 2023

High performing teams with Steve Sallis

Every business wants their teams to perform as best as possible, with everyone pushing in the same direction and team leaders who are respected and followed. Joining James this week is Steve Sallis, author and executive mindset coach. They discuss how businesses can build high-performing teams, what methodology to use, and what are the qualities needed in a team leader. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from CandidateHub and Shazamme ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠htt...
Aug. 28, 2023

Recruiters as marketers with Chad Sowash

Where does the recruiter stop and the marketer start? We are seeing more and more pressure on recruiters to be more like marketers, from personal branding to collateral creation. Joining me this week is Chad Sowash, podcaster, business owner and talent acquisition consultant. Chad and I discuss the pros and cons of expecting recruiters to be more like marketers and what we should expect in reality. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from Candidate...
Aug. 14, 2023

SEO for small businesses with Ben Lund

Small businesses tend to fall on the opposite side with their use of SEO, either it is too expensive to make any headway or they spend all their budget on SEO and nothing is left for any other marketing. This week's guest is Ben Lund founder of rise marketing. Ben discuss how small business can get started with SEO, the mistakes to avoid and how it can work with your other marketing activities. #MarketingRules #TheVoiceOfRecruitmentMarketing Support for this podcast comes from CandidateHub an...
Guest: Ben Lund